Good point. Maybe watching in itself doesn't suffice as full exposure. It would be handy if we could know the actual cause of death... no, I'm not doing it again, thank you very much. [It's probably a joke. Probably.]
But I am reasonably sure that the Admin is... proxy may be a good word, yes. Some kind of servitor, human or formerly human, that serves as NIMA's organ of communication and interaction to our own reality. What that makes Winter... I'm not certain. She claimed to be an AI... it goes against my intuition to think that there is more than one NIMA, but if it is technological rather than mystical in nature, I suppose my own experience is irrelevant. [He sounds... less annoyed about it than he normally would. But still, annoyed.]
I would like to think that our incompatibility with NIMA would indicate that we are not associated with or that strongly influenced by it. Toys, though... you'll have to elaborate.
House is welcome to it. [Quick and clipped. He understands the desire for another test, but... no. Not until he's fully understood the first one, certainly.]
All the references to NIMA we've seen so far have seemed to treat it as a proper noun. Not "a" NIMA... but you are right about what Winter said. Perhaps we are connecting the dots in the wrong way. The admin could precede NIMA, though I'm certain the connection is there, now.
[The explanation makes him pause, finding himself rubbing his eyes in a tired, foggy gesture for the first time since the sharp, delicious energy of waking up alive. He doesn't like this idea anymore than Brian does.] It's a common speculation here. But I just... cannot see it coming together. An experiment has a goal. What is the goal of this? What is possibly being learned here? If anything, I would suspect that our presence is the undesired side effect of an experiment, not the subject itself.
Like so much else. We need more information. I suspect we've exhausted our options in the morgues for now, though, unless and until we find a way to observe what happens after the normal point of no return. Perhaps with... non-digital...
[An idea begins to brew there. He trails off to catch its tail, before resuming.]
Either way, they do seem invested in keeping us alive, at least, which is nice. And well-behaved, which is somewhat less nice, but we can't do much about it while we can be rendered immobile and unconscious at the drop of a spiderfish-sting.
[Oh - the two Tim problem again. There's a quick uneasy lurch in Beckett's stomach at the thought of speaking to the man. He remembers their last conversation too well, although something in the emotional weight of the memory is... off. Strangely hazy.]
If he does have what we need, we can always take it without involving him, if necessary. For a good cause. The idea has merit... building a mechanical camera is easy, but we'll need some components that would be tricky to find, maybe impossible.
[Really, people these days have become so dependent on technological toys, he remembers back when...]
They did seem rather cross with House and Rhys after the latest round. I'm not sure. But as for tonight - [they are not on a secure channel - there are no secure channels. He has to be careful.] Without going into details, she'll be asking us to create disruptions to keep the admin busy, and I believe the plan is worth contributing to.
My hope is that the spiders would not care about mechanical equipment, though let's burn that bridge when we get to it... see about Tim. Let me know if I can help, though I'm reasonably sure he dislikes me rather a lot.
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branchandroot
i couldn't resist using the word 'proxy'
Date: 2016-04-11 02:04 pm (UTC)fam il iar ?
learn ing
us
if bey ond human mind
would not be
effects
past death
for those who just wat ched
?
*He hasn't noticed anything, at least. Well, beyond whatever those emotions were, but that only happened for Beckett's death, not the others.*
you think @admin is
proxy
?
for ? NIMA ?
some thing else ?
is win ter
proxy
for NIMA
oth er NIMA
some thing else
or
n o n e
?
are
WE
proxy
or just
t o y s
?
but is the "o" crossed out asking the real questions
Date: 2016-04-11 02:23 pm (UTC)But I am reasonably sure that the Admin is... proxy may be a good word, yes. Some kind of servitor, human or formerly human, that serves as NIMA's organ of communication and interaction to our own reality. What that makes Winter... I'm not certain. She claimed to be an AI... it goes against my intuition to think that there is more than one NIMA, but if it is technological rather than mystical in nature, I suppose my own experience is irrelevant. [He sounds... less annoyed about it than he normally would. But still, annoyed.]
I would like to think that our incompatibility with NIMA would indicate that we are not associated with or that strongly influenced by it. Toys, though... you'll have to elaborate.
nah, different mind-destroying all-powerful entity
Date: 2016-04-11 03:08 pm (UTC)*He'd indicated that to get the best results he should, at least. And House seemed like the type to follow that up...eventually.*
they said
more than one
town
had admin
did al so have NIMA
?
could be multi ple NIMA s
or could all be
o n e
wemust find
toys
play things
pawns
pie ces in exper i ment
labrats ?
peo ple thi ngs us
for @admin nima ???
to u s e
*He doesn't like being someone else's pawn. He's supposed to be the one manipulating things.*
no subject
Date: 2016-04-15 03:19 pm (UTC)All the references to NIMA we've seen so far have seemed to treat it as a proper noun. Not "a" NIMA... but you are right about what Winter said. Perhaps we are connecting the dots in the wrong way. The admin could precede NIMA, though I'm certain the connection is there, now.
[The explanation makes him pause, finding himself rubbing his eyes in a tired, foggy gesture for the first time since the sharp, delicious energy of waking up alive. He doesn't like this idea anymore than Brian does.] It's a common speculation here. But I just... cannot see it coming together. An experiment has a goal. What is the goal of this? What is possibly being learned here? If anything, I would suspect that our presence is the undesired side effect of an experiment, not the subject itself.
no subject
Date: 2016-04-15 03:39 pm (UTC)NIMA
means standsfor
most wecannot know
yet
but fornow itseems
they she @admin NIMA ? ot her ?
donot have a
goal
forus
no subject
Date: 2016-04-15 03:58 pm (UTC)[An idea begins to brew there. He trails off to catch its tail, before resuming.]
Either way, they do seem invested in keeping us alive, at least, which is nice. And well-behaved, which is somewhat less nice, but we can't do much about it while we can be rendered immobile and unconscious at the drop of a spiderfish-sting.
no subject
Date: 2016-04-15 05:56 pm (UTC)camera
but heis gone
may be tim
but he wouldnot help
*Cause Tim is a butt :(*
unless ican bring
cor rect tim
out
should see if has
first
*ANYway.*
well be haved for some
they donot seemto care of
mur der
they just donot want us to geto them
or their
equip ment
*Which brings him back to one of Beckett's earlier statements...*
whatis
angel rhys
plan ning for
to night
?
no subject
Date: 2016-04-16 11:42 am (UTC)If he does have what we need, we can always take it without involving him, if necessary. For a good cause. The idea has merit... building a mechanical camera is easy, but we'll need some components that would be tricky to find, maybe impossible.
[Really, people these days have become so dependent on technological toys, he remembers back when...]
They did seem rather cross with House and Rhys after the latest round. I'm not sure. But as for tonight - [they are not on a secure channel - there are no secure channels. He has to be careful.] Without going into details, she'll be asking us to create disruptions to keep the admin busy, and I believe the plan is worth contributing to.
no subject
Date: 2016-04-17 12:40 am (UTC)spi ders
too
*That could be an even bigger problem than getting Tim to cooperate.*
iwill see what ican
do
no subject
Date: 2016-04-17 03:01 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2016-04-17 04:53 pm (UTC)test
whenwe can
me too
*Meaning he's rather sure Tim dislikes him a lot. But he'd be far from surprised if Tim also hated his friends.*